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line in terms of fiscal cliff spending and revenue raised in the next three weeks, and, yes, that's at the end of the month. they'll get through that, but, again, you want to have leverage when you have that conversation. that leverage is going to, i think, hinge off of what you were saying, and i think you're right. boehner has probably the better hand to play here given that really there's not a strong hand, but it's a better hand than what he otherwise would have in terms of negotiations. if he is just allowed get in the room and negotiate the deal because he knows he has all these other, you know, arrows in his quiver that he can use. >> i just -- i think it's hopeful that they went -- that he went to the white house yesterday and almost kind of hopeful that at least everybody is agreeing not to say anything, as opposed to leaking bad news. really quickly, jonathan, the president is going to michigan, and he will be -- well, he is there en route now. the right to work law in michigan could be signed as early, i believe, finalized as early as tomorrow. what is the president owe
'm not sure you're going to get a big deal right now but you might get enough to avoid the fiscal cliff and then more fighting next year over spending. >> will republicans accept a 38% tax rate for the wealthy? and will democrats accept reductions in entitlement spending? >> that's a good question. corker would accept 37% but he speaks for a few senators. he doesn't speak for the house republican majority and john boehner though it seems to be moving that direction. i'm not sure the president would accept 37% because i'm not sure he gets enough money. you need enough money, whether there's some -- yes, partial increase in rates and then some tightening of loopholes, but then again, so much of this talk has been about taxes and what the democrats have refused to talk about at this point is spending cuts and serious entitlement reform. republicans will demand there whether it's part of the deal in the fiscal cliff or to raise the debt limit. >> i'm glad you brought that up. in terms of spending, which clearly has to be cut, the president from the reports this week wants to raise the debt
. if the nation heads over the fiscal cliff. >> consumer spending will go down. that means you've got less customers. businesses get fewer profits. they hire fewer workers. you go on a downward spiral. >> reporter: the president met with house speaker john boehner at the white house. their face-to-face meeting in three weeks. neither side would offer any details from the discussion, which may be a good sign of modest progress. but a spokesman for the republican leader said boehner did not back down. his offer to the white house last week is still the gop's position in the fiscal cliff talks. that plan offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade, including $800 billion in new tax revenue, but no increases on the top 2% of taxpayers. that's where the stalemate seems to be centered. president obama insists taxes on the wealthy must go up. >> but when they start making a million or 10 million or 20 million, you can afford to pay a little more. >> reporter: several republicans indicated that's a concession they're willing to make. >> will i accept a tax increase as
in spending. by the way, by choosing to make his fiscal cliff pitch in michigan, the president is stepping into the fierce battle over worker rights in that state. they are becoming the 24th state for right to work state. the bill pushed through by the republican controlled house and senate in michigan, the daimler detroit michigan plant, the white house came out against the move sighing president obama has long opposed right-to-work laws and continues to oppose them now. by the way, a quick little aside on this disagreement among conservatives about what tactic boehner should take "the journal" versus kristol. this gives boehner more room, more power, more of an ability to get a deal done because there isn't conservative consensus on how to back seat cut boehner. secretary of state hillary clinton finishes up her final weeks as america's top diplomat and has to contemplate her next move. the clinton world is not sitting quietly, though. t "the new york times" kicked off what is likely to become a monthly exercise by somebody in the media. we may come up with a meter. probably throw in jeb
spending. the fiscal cliff will result in tax increases and federal spenng cuts. >> both parties are kind of, hey, i'm going to do my thing, you're going to do your thing, nobody seems to want to give in. >> many shoppers agree, as tax paying citizens, one of the top things on their wish list for christmas is for the president and congress to compromise and to get a deal done. >> please start working together and remember the people who put you in office. >> nadia ramdass, wbal-tv 11 news. >> jews around the world celebrated the beginning of hanukkah saturday night. in chicago, hundreds gathered to watch the lighting of an overicized menorah. hanukkah commemorates the jewish uprising in the second century b.c. according to tradition, when the jews dedicated the temple in jerusalem, a single vial of oil burned for eight days. and some people celebrated hanukkah with a dance party. creative alliance hosted a party with music, dancing and singing. >> tonight is first night of hanukkah, the celebration that brings light into the darkness and we celebrate freedom and liberation movements and r
can work together and have a balanced approach to deficit reduction to avoiding the fiscal cliff with revenue and spending cuts departments are willing to embrace so we can make sure we avoid this fiscal cliff and particularly raise the debt ceiling and avoid economic disaster. >> if that's the only particular issue to confront us next year if it is not wrapped up in this one negotiation as it should be. later in the show, we'll talk to chris van hollen, your colleague about a motion to dismiss possibility that would circumvent john boehner's extrasty to keep this bill off the floor. we will see about that. look, will rogers famously said i'm not a member of on organized party, i'm a democratic. you seem to tame the beat. under your leadership, the party has been unified. you had remarkable gains in the senate. how did you do it? >> this is a team effort. in fact, you took the words right out of my mouth from the d.n.c. meetings. i quoted will rogers in celebrating our victory because i think that will rogers would be surprised and proud that the party that he knew not to be orga
that will happen with the fiscal cliff is the massive withdraw of government spending and we haven't talked about that as much as taxes. people with less money because of tax cuts going away would have less money to spend into the economy but also the federal government withdrawing federal spending from parts of the economy that are used to getting it, the military, et cetera but other sectors nonmilitary. that's the other piece that could hurt people. >> when we talk about the fiscal cliff and back and forth that is happening between the white house and the hill, i guess i'm confused because on one hand there is a sense that this is all par for the course, they know they're going to get a deal done, it's fine, everything is good and then there's also this sort of the pr blitz which is, we are very far from a deal. this is what ayman alluded to this, the speaker had a press conference a few minutes ago. david axelrod giving his take and john boehner giving his take. let's take a listen. >> you saying then for pr purposes -- >> the president and the speaker are very fluent in the basic numbers. th
under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cut, albeit us proportionately to defense spending. but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to get a told of this pr machine and paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage. no, it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage to his reckless spending and cynical refusal to enter the entitlement reform game. >> i don't even want to hear more about taxes. juan, shaking your head. >> i hear you, gentlemen. you guys are wonderful. merry christmas. but sean you said hyperpartisanship, and david talks about inflexibility. you know, and i'm thinking to myself, gee, where have i seen this before? i see it on the republican side, and i think most of the american people when you look he about policy, i'm not just -- >> tell me where obama is giving in this debate at all. he said he wanted to find a middle ground. where has he reached out to republicans? can you tell me. >> sure, i'm going to do it on your terms. he's alrea
washington needs to resolve this fiscal cliff issue if they don't want consumers to stop their spending ways. >> let me start with what's going on in washington. we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes g
're going to be talking a lot more about the fiscal cliff in the coming hour. three cnn i-reporters are going to be joining me to talk about their real concerns about this and we got some answers from our business expert from questions that were sent by you that you tweeted to us. that's going to be coming up in about 15 minutes. >>> bail was set for dallas cowboys josh brent, he's been charged with intoxication manslaughter for a crash on saturday that killed his teammate. police say brent was pulling jerry brown out of the car when they arrived. dallas coach jason garrett talked about his players just a few minutes ago. >> obviously this is a very difficult situation, a tragedy occurred to our football team. in the last couple of days. and we lost jerry brown, practiced roster player for us who we picked up earlier in the year. and it's been really emotion for everybody and as the head coach of the team, i have to talk to the team and i have to inform them what happened, give them the news and then try to offer some perspective. you know, i talked a lot got the value of
's fiscal cliff. >> there's a real correlation, people have jobs they spend money, if people are worried about losing their jobs, or don't have a job, they're not going to go out that much, they're going to cook at home or stay home. >> reporter: just a couple miles in the pentagon, many of the people here work directly for the defense department and it's contractors. the defense industry is facing $125 billion of direct -- in addition several key tax ben fis are scheduled to expire at the end of the year that will have a direct impact on the pocket books of many americans. take a couple with one child in new york earning $100,000. their tax rate jumps from 25% to 28%. they could be hit by the alternative minimum tax. the child tax credit drops from $1,000 to $500 and payroll taxes could be $2,000 more next year. for a single 25-year-old in michigan who works full-time earning $30,000 a year going to school part-time, his tax rate would stay the same at 15%. but he would lose the american education tax credit and have to pay more than $600 in payroll taxes. and even though it's weeks bef
lead time. but it's also important to remember that the fiscal cliff isn't only tax rates and spending cuts. the fiscal cliff also includes the nation's agriculture policy, which expires at the end of the year. it includes patches to medicare formulas. patches to social security formulas. so this is a huge mess of issues. we're not even talking about those issues yet. congressional negotiators and the white house aren't talking about these huge host of other issues that are on the table. the thought is if they can get past tax rates and spending cuts, then they will be able to deal with the peripheral issues. but we don't have much time. if a deal isn't reached or a framework isn't reached in the next week or, so it's going to be a big problem. >> all right, thanks for that. good to see you. > >>> nokia -- we'll tell you more when we come back in a few moments. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to rememb
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the fiscal cliff? does it factor into their spending efforts? >> not really. that's a great question. and the answer is no, not really. what i think really is happening with the michigan numbers and the sentiment numbers is a little bit of optimism that followed on the back of the election process. and then it's settling back in that nothing's going to change. nothing is going to get better. nothing's happening in washington. there is no movement towards consensus on either side of the debate. people look at that and say what were we so optimistic about? i think the cliff will be more of an effect afterwards. but to go back to stewart's point, he's talking about 2% growth in spending. 2% consumer growth is probably going to produce a very weak gdp number. although we had a nice number on the boost, we'll have a horrible in the next quarter. which isn't great. that's really the point. 11% rise in fedex sales not going to lead in an 11%? consumer spending. at beast we're looking at 2%. that's not good. >> my 2% forecast is for next year. i think we'll do better this quarter. and you do
in this country, we are just over three weeks away from falling over the so-called fiscal cliff, that combination of tax increases and deep federal spending cuts. nancy cordes reports the back-and-forth showed no sign of letting up today 20 white house and the republicans in congress. >> reporter: in his saturday weekly address, president obama signaled he is open to making cuts on programs like medicare and medicaid if republicans agree to raise tax rates for the rich. >> i'm willing to find ways to bring down the cost of health care without hurting seniors and other americans who depend on it. and i'm willing to make more entitlement spendings cuts on top of the $1 trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. >> reporter: his remarks came one day after house speaker john boehner announced the talkes were stalled. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to be report. >> reporter: his democratic counter-part ploals blamed boehner for the stalemate. >> what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> reporter: such is the state of negotia
is enough to get us past the fiscal cliff, turn off these automatic spending cuts and make sure that taxes don't go up. and then they would figure out what to do with the upper bracket. and then there would be a mechanism that would guarantee further action next year. if at all possible, they would disagree next year and there would be some sort of trigger or punishment for their lack of action. that sounds relatively simple, i think, putting it all together could take at least a couple of weeks after they have a deal. there could be some inevitable blocks either by conservatives in the house or in the senate. blowups either byow wha conservatives in the house or in the senate. the details can get pretty political party quickly. there's so much in flux. it all presupposes that the get an agreement. there was a school of thought that they could not get an agreement until tax rates actually go up next year. >> you can follow himat @apandrewtaylor. >> a discussion on the u.s. economy and you pull in the middle class with participants from think tanks, academia and business at 8:30 a.m. easter
as the fiscal cliff. if that happens, it will trigger a recession, or worse. so, president obama is taking action and insisting that republicans agree to increase the existing marginal tax rates on the wealthiest top 2% of u.s. taxpayers. and of course, there is more to the deal. but there will be no negotiations on that big part of the deal unless that tax on the wealthiest 2% is negotiated now. the president could not be more emphatic in stressing the indispensable element of surmounting the cliff is that super-rich revenue. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite. or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> okay. here is john boehner, the republican house speaker. >> if you look at the plans that the white house have talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. >> republicans proposed raising $800 billion in extra revenues. and that revenue should come through tax reform and closing loopholes. happy new year. question, patrick, looking into the crystal ball and tell us about this janua
for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you know, is it a terrible problem we are going through right now, but we look like we can't handle our own business. we can't talk to each other, we can't figure out our own economics, and i can't think what kind of morale authority do we have in the world when we look so pathetic, so pathetic in terms of how we handle things and the fact that we don't? >> the problem with the american people is today they are -- greta, they are as deeply divided and polarized as we have almost ever been. look what boehner is could go right now in making a deal. he's violates his fundamental principles. he's violatings a commitment he made to the american people. he's doing something that he thinks will hurt the american economy, $800 million of tax on job creators, he's splitting his party
men left standing between all of us and the fiscal cliff. in 25 days america goes over the edge. that's when severe tax hikes and cuts in spending begin. according to the "new york times," john boehner has asked democratic leaders to step aside so he and the president can attempt to negotiate a deal one-on-one and no one is objecting. paul steinhauser is live from washington. paul, you got some new polling for us. what do americans want to see in a deal? >> it's interesting what they want to see and what they don't want to see. one of the biggest sticking points between democrats and republicans over averting the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. look at this from quinnipiac university, the question was asked are you okay with that? 65% say they support such a move to avert the fiscal cliff. this is the third poll over the last two weeks to show the same thing, that most americans are okay with raising those taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year. go to the next screen, there's a partisan divide here. this explains why most republicans are dead set aga
a deal on the fiscal cliff or else automatic spending cuts and tax hikes will kick in and with the fiscal cliff looming, our consumers feeling at all concerned? christine romans joins us now from new york with that. good morning, christine. >> good morning, ted. first, let me tell you what's going right in the economy for consumers. there's a whole host of things. the job markets, 7.7% unemployment, the lowest in four years. you've got the housing market showing signs of recovery. rising home values in much of the country. gas prices, did you notice? they're down 46 cents over the past couple of months. they're expected to keep going lower and the dow is up 20 points now. the dow is above 1,300 and the s&p 500 is up 12% this year. so, what could go wrong? fiscal cliff. this is something weighing op consumer sentiment and we're starting to see it in the weekly -- look at this -- 39% said it would affect it some. they don't seem to have much faith in congress to fix it and any time except 11th hour and maybe a week into the new year and there's this payroll tax holiday that most people have
. host: a republican from missouri said, as washington debates the fiscal cliff on spending and taxes we should not forget the regulatory avalanche that awaits businesses in the new year. roughly 4,100 regulations are coming through the pipeline. not all regulations will affect small businesses, many will, however, and the compliance costs for small firms exceed that of their large competition by some 36%. guest: that -- it's difficult for a small business leader to come to the white house and talk about this. we try to put business leaders together to talk about those. on the regulatory front, the head of -- former hofede the office of regulatory affairs who recently left the white house were very aggressive about going out and meeting business leaders and looking for a new way to take input. cat's published results which -- before he left the white house which showed the rate of regulatory activity had drop and the value created by eliminating bad regulations or needless regulations and streamlining regulations had gone up when compared to the previous two administrations. guest: we're
in spending cuts. susan mcginnis reports there are few signs ever progress to fix this fiscal cliff so far. >> reporter: social security workers marched outside their office in baltimore wednesday. they're protesting the government spending cuts due to kick in at the end ever the year as part of the fiscal cliff. >> we don't want to see our public hurt in any way. >> reporter: just down the road in washington, d.c., the standoff continues. house speaker john boehner says he is still waiting for president obama to make his next counteroffer to the republican plan he rejected. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president and boehner spoke on the phone wednesday but republicans want more. >> we want to sit down with the. we want to talk specifics. >> reporter: whether the talks happen on the phone or in person, here on capitol hill or at the white house, there will be no deal without a compromise on taxes, something that does not appear likely any time soon. >> an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the probl
of these lawmakers, the countdown to the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end the year. >> god bless us, everyone. >> reporter: speaker boehner offered the republican proposal this week and now he faces opposition from president obama. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: some in his own party are lining up against him. jim demint a tea party leader said speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. disagreements among republicans and democrats here on capitol hill is nothing new, but tuesday a republican aide told us the two sides aren't even talking. not surprisingly the white house disagrees. >> i can guarantee you conversations continue at different levels. and among different groups. >> reporter: both parties are ready to play the blame game in case negotiations fail. >> there's only one person out of 370 million americans who can sign something into law and that's the president. >> 60% of americans are asking the wealthy to pay more. >> reporter
the fiscal cliff, does it? >> it avoids the tax side. there's still a spending problem. the president has no interest in us having a strong defense so i guess we can litigate that next year. there are other opportunities to debate spending, defense and entitlements. get the tax issues off the table. >> so the fiscal cliff. >> let the president own it. >> it ends with a witcher, not a -- whimper, not a bang. >> yes. >> there you go. thank you, panel. check out the panel plus where we pick up on our website, foxnewssunday.com and we'll post the video before noon eastern time. follow us on twitter @foxnewssunday. this program note. tune in to "fox news channel" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern for fly me to the moon. chord by neil cavuto, a marks the 40th anniversary of the last time man walked on the lunar surface. next, some final thoughts about my best friend. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decong
the fiscal cliff to use that terminology. something's going to happen before year end. hopefully it's a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems then later, next year, we deal with tax reforms in a revenue neutral way. what i -- i'll stop. >> chris: hemorrhaginge >> this goes beyond the deal. why should congress give up it's constitutional authority over borrowing? we looked at your record when george w. bush was president. you voted at least three times against increasing the debt limit. why would congress give up that power? >> the bottom line is on debt ceiling, things shifted. i don't agree with bob corker on that issue. it shifted the way it has on taxes. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling. it's money congress has already spent and let congress by two-thirds override it. he thought we democrats would run from that scared as could be. within a half hour we had 51 votes, we called his bluff and he filibustered his proposal. the sure footed mitch mcconnell stumbled. i bel
have another developing story with the ongoing negotiations of the fiscal cliff. despite spine signs of a deal in sight, house speaker boehner accused the president of holding back when it comes to spending cuts. >> the longer white house slow walk this is process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. >> let me bring in our "news nation" political panel this hour. chris cafinus, michael smerkonish and louies romanis. what are we to make of speaker boehner coming out today, not sure of the overall message other than he wanted to have, i guess, a sound bite to play today as we continue to talk and the president is off at least negotiating behind the scenes on the fiscal cliff. >> i think you called it, tamron. look, the rhetoric is scaled back dramatically in the last few days. they're talking and seriously evidenced by the fact we're not learning that much. they're keeping it pretty close to the ve
on the spending cuts. walmart's ceo mike duke expressed concerns about the fiscal cliff. >> the week before the election, only one-fourth, 25% of our core customers even knew what fiscal cliff meant. okay? one week after the election, it was up to 75%. now these same customers, 15% of our customers are telling us, this discussion about fiscal cliff will affect what they spend on christmas. >> that's a fascinating read on -- >> i wonder who's doing the surveying? how is that occurring? >> greeters? >> i would be curious how they know those percentages. do they ask people at the -- >> yeah. >> and can you define the fiscal cliff? i don't mean to question the methodology, it's interesting. >> just curious. >> i think that when i was in washington, i got the sense that there were just a lot of people there who actually thought romney was going to win. and there would be no fiscal cliff because romney would get together with congress, extend every single tax break and we would all live happily ever after and not worry about the deficit and not worry about the 2%. there was a kind of, well, they
: domestic spending cuts is on the table for the fiscal cliff talks. two different perspectives for you here. isabel sawhill, brookings institution. brookings center on children and families. james capretta ethics and public policy center and visiting scholar at aei. let me begin with you. are these potential domestic cuts under sequestration devastating or manageable? >> guest: somewhere in between. not a good idea. they would be very deep cuts, you know, an 8% cut across the board is a very significant one-time cut for any program to sustain in immediate year period. so they're not a good idea. would it be the end of the world, no? >> host: what do you mean by that? >> guest: well, i mean there would be downsizing of a lot of services across the government in terms of the domestic accounts. so it would be fewer services being provided. there would be reduced federal employees. some grant programs would take a haircut of five, 10%. so there would be downsizing of the services provided by the federal government. but the economy would go on and the government would go on and the public would
putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able it to get a deal without it. >> we start this morning with white house correspondent dan lothian, he's in washington, d.c. okay. so who's got the ball in their court at this point then, dan? >> well, you know, i think the house gop, they have presented their counteroffer which white house spokesman jay carney is referring to as, quote, magic beans and fairy dust. we expect that house republicans will keep putting pressure on the white house to engage, push for more details on what the white house will accept when it comes to additional entitlement cuts. but i think what's unclear is what kind of negotiating is goin
and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between 39.6% and the 28% at that the president has for limitation on deduction creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative financial commentator suggests the likely outcome of the fiscal cliff talks won't be the end of the world. >> we will have taxes that are the same as the taxes were under bill clinton. we did find that we will do fine. >> the question is whether the negotiations will lead to making other tough choices such as washington getting a handle on the growth of government. if not, the european example seems to suggest fiscal trouble to our shores as well. >> john: thanks. the stock were mixed. dow gained 81. s&p 500 up 4. president obama visits detroit and he will see upset people there. mike tobin has the effect. >> michigan democrats say they can't stop, as the republicans have the numbers so despite the angry protests the legislation that rick schneider calls freedom to work will pass the final vote on tuesday. we have h
to go over the fiscal cliff, to use that terminology, something will happen before year end. hopefully, a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems and then, later, next year we deal with tax reforms in a revenue-neutral way. but i do not want to see us -- go ahead, i'll stop. >> chris: let me bring in senator schumer. and, this goes beyond simply the question of this deal. why should congress give up its constitutional authority over borrowing? you know, we looked at your record, when george w. bush was president, and you voted at least three times against increasing the debt limit. why would congress unilaterally give up that power? >> well the bottom line is, i think on debt ceilings, things have shifted. i don't agree with my good friend, bob corker on the issue. i think it shift the way it has on taxes and we just saw that. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said, it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling, after all it is money congress already spent, and, let congress, by 2/3, override it. he thought we democrats woul
of the fiscal cliff. and most of the cuts in spending, except for defense and the president sees no interest in having a strong defense and we'll litigate that next year and there are opportunities to debate the spending, defense and entitlement issues next year, get the tax issue off the table, the weakest one for the republicans and let the president own it -- >> end with a wimper, not a bang. >> yes, could be. >> chris: there you go, see you next week, don't forget, check out panel plus where our group picks up right with the discussion on our web site, foxnewssunday.com and we'll post the video before noon eastern time and follow us on twitter. @foxnewssunday. this program note: tune into fox news channel tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern for "fly me to the moon" anchored by neil cavuto it marks the 40th anniversary of the last time man walked on the lunar surface. up next on "final thoughts." about my best friend. ♪ i'm a conservative investor. i invest in what i know. i turned 65 last week. i'm getting married. planning a life. there are risks, sure. but, there's no reward without it. i w
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